He was for the war, and in favor of torture, but made clear his position on serving himself. "It's not my damn job to enlist," he said.
So, I used publicly accessible information to find out who he was. It was mainly information that I garnered from his blog.
Once I knew who he was, I posted a link to his profile on the website of the school at which he is currently corrupting the minds of innocent children with his hate mongering.
This elicited a response that was quite amusing. You can see it below. He threatened to call the police. Knowing he had no cause of action and checking with my in house attorney, (The Hippy's Wife) I confirmed that his threat of legal consequences was about as uninformed and laughable as everything else he says.
Ultimately, the problem with Logic Monkey was that he would say things and spew hate at complete strangers as if he were unaccountable or didn't care what people thought.
Once he discovered that his illusions of anonymity were about as real as the President's reasons for going to war with Iraq, he revealed himself to be the scared little miscreant we always knew he was.
He was embarrassed. He was ashamed. He was scared that I actually would put up the email address to his School's headmaster and encourage everyone to scour his blog and the comments he's left elsewhere and send the headmaster their favorite bits.
This was unacceptable to him. He knew he was living a double life. One as a good Christian teacher of children, and the other as a hate monger who found human life contemptible and wanted nothing more to make believe he was justified in saying the vile things he said.
As recently as this morning, he left the following comment on one of my earlier posts.
the Logic Monkey said...
Well, Okay, I learned my lesson. You win. Still, it's you and the left that has contempt for human life. You kill babies. You killed Terri Schiavo. You don't care one whit about innocent people in Iraq, except that it's Bush's war, and you hate Bush.
8:41 AM
Clearly, he hadn't learned his lesson. For the record I want to say that I have not killed any babies, and Terri Schiavo died 15 years ago, and I wasn't the least bit responsible.
But, this comment drew the ire of someone, and despite any claims to the contrary, it wasn't me. But that someone left a comment in response to the above nonsense.
Here is that comment for your enjoyment:
Anonymous said...
No, I don't believe you have learned quite yet. The resident Hippy has a sense of humor, but basically did nothing more than embarrass you.
Let me clarify some things for you:
I don't have contempt for human life; I have contempt for yours, Chris.
I don't hate war; I hate senseless war, and the advocacy of cowards who have never worn a uniform or badge, nor had to fight for anything other than the justification of their own egocentric opinion, yet feel it incumbent upon themselves to ask others to fight wars they will not.
You are a shining example of the worst sort of American, one who feels entitlement without responsibility.
But you can't escape accountability, because it isn't entirely your decision whether or not others hold you accountable for your actions. Now that we are an e-mail away from notifying anyone you have ever meaningfully known of your each and every transgression, I think you'll find the leash very short indeed.
I would strongly suggest you consult an attorney about the technical definition of harassment...specifically, I would encourage you to read between the lines and take note of what is not considered harassment.
Truly enlightening.
Rest assured, if you haven't learned your lesson, you are comment away from having it branded across your forehead.
1:04 PM
Now there are good people on the right who believe in the good that the invasion of Iraq could bring. They understand that war is horrible, but sometimes necessary. They also tend to understand that the torture of other human beings is reprehensible and we as Americans should be above such acts.
The questions was never are we like the terrorists. The question is really, are we different enough?
Some people refuse to see the distinction. Logic Monkey was an obvious example of someone who loved death and war and torture. Beyond loving it, he celebrated it. I found it disgusting that a person could be so crass. I found it sick that his moral relativism told him that since certain Islamic extremists had taken to cutting off heads, that anything we did short of that was perfectly acceptable.
Despite all of his hypocritical harping that the left was guilty of "Moral Relativism," he was the biggest practitioner.
So, imagine my surprise that the person who didn't care at all what people thought of him, who claimed such moral superiority on issues involving the sanctity of human life, and squealed with glee every time new stories of torture emerged, left the following comment on this blog.
the Logic Monkey said...
Fine, you litte assholes. My blog is gone. I hope you think you've won- because you have not. Think about it- the left wing is a dying creature. You lose elections and will continue to lose elections. You have not had and will no longer have any effect on foregin policy- we will not leave Iraq when you want us to. Your party will continue to push itself off into the fringe and lose members.
Keep ranting, lefties- you are dinosaurs
3:13 PM
Sure enough, clicking over to his blog, which you can do here, shows that he indeed did indeed take it down.
Ultimately, his downfall lies in this very simple explanation. He was ashamed of himself. He was afraid of accountability. He knew that if the people he associates with in the real world were to see the things he had written over the last 2 years, there would be consequences.
That's difference between someone like me, who attempts to be thoughtful and well reasoned, and someone like Logic Monkey who is nothing but a hate monger.
I acknowledge that others have different points of view from me. That's fine. I will try and persuade them or counter them. But, unlike the cowardly and pathetic Logic Monkey, I am not ashamed of anything I have to say.
I am fine with ANYONE whether I know them or not reading ANYTHING that I have ever posted.
The fact that he is so scared and so ashamed out to make clear to him that he needs to do some soul searching.
So I leave Logic Monkey with one simple question. I encourage him to close his eyes and pretend his child or any of the students in his class were to ask him this question.
Who would Jesus hate?
-The Oklahoma Hippy
You really think your blog is really gone? Hahahaha.
ReplyDeleteOne of the problems with these folks who celebrate their right to free speech in such a vile way is that they don't recognize that the First Amendment says nothing about your speech not having consequences.
ReplyDeletePeople who live in reality recognize that all actions have consequences. This dude seems to think that he has rewound the tape so that he never posted this shit, just because he now has deleted it.
Teach him a lesson about consequences -- and Internet caching. Go ahead -- send copies to his headmaster and ask HIM "what would Jesus do?"
Uh, as ridiculous and offensive as Logic Monkey’s statements are it is amusingly hypocritical of ‘Anonymous’ to poke fun at him for his cowardice anonymously.
ReplyDeleteYeah, but anonymous wasn't necessarily trying to hide. It just means he doesn't have a blogger login.
ReplyDeleteThat's all I'm saying.
Honestly, I'm not sure if sending this stuff to his headmaster (possibly getting him fired and destroying his life) is the best idea. I mean, the vengance would be sweet, seeing as he wanted my husband to have been aborted and subjected torture and you can see the rest of his posts for more. But what I hope comes of all of this is a change in his heart, because I think all the rage he has must be tearing him up inside. I'm not an overly religious person, but I pray that he will learn the true meaning of the Bible to which he so adamantly clings. His heart is so filled with hatred and rage that I don't think there's room for much else.
ReplyDeleteSo, Logic Monkey, if you're still reading this blog, I hope you'll seek help for your seemingly uncontrollable rage before it gets you in trouble.
The Hippy's Wife
A conviction that disappears when you think someone you KNOW might read what you wrote and see a part of you that you've kept hidden is no conviction at all.
ReplyDeleteIt's only a matter of time before Tautology Baboon starts flashing his red ass to all comers while once more angrily flinging his poo all over the internets.
Like the estimable Mrs. Hippy, I hope Chris takes a good long look in the mirror and is inspired to change-to become a man his students can look up to instead of a man who looks down at them if they should chose to go fight in this war he's so eager to cheerlead.
But signs point to no, I'm afraid.
Printing his employer's email address is just plain wrong.
ReplyDeleteNo one should be in danger of losing their job for political beliefs. I think, for the most part, you did a fine job in taking on a true wing nut...but you more than crossed the line and it's a shame that others don't recognize that.
Bloggers have awesome power...but we also have responsibility and I'm sorry...but think you completely abused it.
I've outed many right wing nut jobs over the last few months...but I never print their phone numbers or addresses...let alone the information where they work.
I'm not sure what kind of law your wife practices...but printing an employer's email address and urging your readers to write the guy's boss certainly qualifies as harrassment and is grounds for a lawsuit.
oh...I see your wife pretty much agrees with me, too
ReplyDeleteIn regard to "anonymous" posters hiding, I would call it prudence rather than cowardice. I wrote the first anonymous response (anonymously because I am not, myself, a blogger), and I would imagine that two entirely different people wrote the next two anonymous statements for similar reasons...but our motives really aren't material; we didn't stand up in the middle of a public forum and deliberately offend out peers.
ReplyDeleteThe one who called him a coward did so, at least from my impression of the post, for being a jingoist little cretin who wouldn't dare of risking his own skin for something he so adamantly espouses. Cowardice...hipocracy; some say ta-may-to, some say to-mah-to...whatever. His anonymity isn't the source of his odiousness.
As to the responsibility of power, I would say that there is an overwhelming responsibility to insure that a person whose character and demeanor are harmful to children does not have the proximity and leave to unduly influence them in a negative manner.
I would feel irresponsible if I knew I could have prevented this person from deceiving seventh graders into accepting his ludicrous, hateful vision of the world as the word of a role model, and yet I did nothing becuase it "wasn't my place."
I wouldn't advocate using his home address for anything at all, but I would certainly find no fault with someone simply informing an employer that an employee may not be fit for his job.
Bear in mind, the Hippy didn't pull this information out of a magic Liberal-blogger's hat; it was already online, and he merely made it slightly more accessible for a limited audience. If someone there took enough offense to take an active interest in Chris's place in the community, so be it. Communities also post pictures of pedophiles publicly and make them introduce themselves to their new neighbors when they are paroled; think of it as a similar public service announcement.
And before anyone stoops to it, I don't think it is remotely plausible to ask anyone else "how they would feel" if this happened to them, because the only rational answer is "guilty". Actions have consequences, and in the unlikely event that someone else here is that big of an asshole, well...I suppose we'll be seeing their work email address online soon.
I respect your opinions, those of you who have raised concerns over what is or is not the right course of action; I just drew a different conclusion from all of this.
Namely:
It takes a village to raise the next generation, but the village idiot's role should be limited by design.
I think that's the important distinction.
ReplyDeleteIt's not like I went through this guy's mail.
This was information that he put out for the world to find.
It was a gut check. Essentially, you've let people know who you are and you continue to talk this BS. Are you comfortable with that fact.
He wasn't.
Was that harsh? Sure. Do I feel bad? Not in the least.
This was about accountability.
This was a person who welcomed himselft to this blog and said celebrated the torture of other human beings.
He acted as a cheerleader for this war with Iraq, calling people who didn't support it "limp wristed buttfuckers," yet at the same time felt emboldened enought to say the follwing.
"If some 18 year old kid gets killed in Iraq, I don't care. Really. It's his job to kill and possibly be killed- if he didn't know that when he signed up, then he deserves to die."
When I had the audacity to say to him, "if you're such a supporter of this war, and those of us who are against only want the terrorists to win, then why don't you enlist."
His response? He said, "It's not my damn job to enlist."
We are at a very critical time and place in the history of our country. We have allowed a beligerent hateful few take control of this country.
We stood by and said nothing as they spread their hate and intolerence.
Well, I am not going to stand by any longer.
When you act the way he acted, and said the things he said, he was acting without outside the realm of an important factor that allows are society to function.
He was acting without accountability.
I provided that accountability. Feel bad for him if you want, but the fact remains he said those things. Not once. Not twice. But constantly for 2 years.
This goes beyond pushing buttons. This was almost sociopathic. This is what the Lord of the Flies was about.
Just as the Republican Party has acted without accountability since September 11th, so to have many of it's rank and file.
The saw that for a long time no one would stand up to their bullying and fear-mongering. We allowed ouselves to be shouted down by the most primitive of our instincts.
Well, I refuse to do so any longer. This is not an appropriate way to act. Ever.
I am not the government. I am not oppressive. I simply decided to hold my fellow citizen to account for his inappropriate behavior.
I simply made clear to him the hole he had dug for himself.
I'm sorry he thought this was anonymous. He was wrong.
I'm sorry he didn't consider that he gave more than enough information that his identity was clear to anyone who wanted to connect the dots.
I'm sorry that he didn't consider taht his name has a web presence in conjunction with the school that employs him.
I'm sorry that he is ashamed of the things he has said and done.
I'm sorry he didn't consider that he was failing to live up to the moral standard his employer requires.
I'm sorry that he didn't want anyone to know.
I am not sorry I identified him.
Just as the KKK required hoods, he engaged in his hatefest because he thought no one would know who he was.
He was wrong, and that has consequences.
His judgement it poor, and that also has consequences.
Now, seeing as this situation sprung from the amoral ether that was his behavior online over the last 2 years, why should I feel any responsibility or sypathy for this vile hateful man.
I pray that he has a turn of heart.
I pray that he does some real soul searching.
If he does, then good for him.
If he doesn't, then we should all remain vigilant and when he starts this crap again, let our better Angels shout down this fool.
His hate built his prison. Let him live in it.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/logicmonkey.blogspot.com
ReplyDeletelots of LogicMonkey pages still are alive at the Wayback Machine...
marvelous, hippie!
ReplyDeleteouting cowards is fine by me, as long as the info was acquired legitimately, as it was in your case. we've outed a few of our own trolls on the al franken blog, and it's an exhiliarating feeling. while we all value our anonimity, maintaining that anonimity is our own responsibilty. being outed may teach them, if not common courtesy, at least how to protect their own identity in cyber-space.
logic monkey, you're a coward! you didn't have the guts to fight this war of which you are so enamored, so why should we expect you to have the guts to defend your own words?! you effing hypocrite!
hugs and kisses,
KEvron
There's still a lot in the Google Cache too . . .
ReplyDeleteJust a quick note to Ron Brynaert...
ReplyDeleteI agree that someone should not be fired for their political beliefs, and honestly, I am not in favor of any of us doing anything to jeopardize this man's job. On the other hand, if you have looked at any of the awful things he has said, just over the last few months, I think you would understand the concerns that some of the people here have about his influential position over children.
In my husband's defense, the Hippy did not actually post Logic Monkey's employer's e-mail address; he threatened to do so, hoping it would hold up a mirror for Chris to realize that "ideas have consequences." My husband's objective has not been to get Logic Monkey fired; he simply wanted Chris to consider whether his attitude is compatible with his role as a teacher in a Christian school and whether his employer would be okay with the kind of hate he was spreading. I don't believe he wanted to be the catalyst for him losing his job.
He did provide a link to the school's public website that shows Chris (Logic Monkey) as a teacher there. If the parents of his students find their way to the despicable things he has said and THEY wish to complain to the school, that's a completely separate issue. My disagreement with his political views does not justify his losing his job. HOWEVER, the hate and rage that he spewed on this blog and his own showed him to be at the very least unstable. Honestly, I wouldn't want him teaching my children, but since he is not, it should be up to the parents of his students, not the bloggers, to call for his removal.
I feel that OUR part in outing his shame and hipocrisy is done. Anything that follows is regrettable, but completely on his own head for being a hate-monger.
The Hippy's Wife