From: the Logic Monkey [mailto:noreply-comment@blogger.com]
Sent: Friday, March 25, 2005 3:05 PM
To: thehippy@oklahomahippy.com
Subject: [Phish Fan in Jeezus Land] 3/25/2005 03:04:30 PM
Phish fan? Ah, how much pot have you consumed then, assfuck?
Look, I don't need scripture from a heretic- fuck you.
Oh, and don't pretend to "care" about how the Republicans are using me. Bullshit. If I, Geroge W. am the Republicans really are so evil- pick up a gun and kill us. If we really are Nazis- fight us. Use violence or shut the fuck up.
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Posted by the Logic Monkey to Phish Fan in Jeezus Land at 3/25/2005 03:04:30 PM
Ok, technicaly, it's a post, but I found it in my email.
I guess he's promoting that "Culture of Life" thing I have heard so much about.
These are the people who so desperatly want to save Terri Schiavo...
One More Time!
Use violence or shut the fuck up.
It's about LIFE!!!
Pay attention people, this is how a coward speaks. Violence apparently is the way to go in this man's version of "A Culture of Life."
-The Oklahoma Hippy
Yeah, so I'm not a perfect Christian- so what? Who is? I get angry just like everybody else- especially at people who use words like "git" Are you a Brit? If not, don't go around using affected little mannerism like "silly little git" Oh, but wait- again, you're a Phish phan, so I should expect stupid behavior.
ReplyDeleteAs for my comment on violence- You, as usualy of stupid people on the left- misunderstand me. I never said I was for violence- all I said was that you people call Bush "Hitler" all the time and talk constantly about who the election was "stolen" and how about Christian conservatives are ruining this country.....well, if we really are so bad, then why don't you do something about us? I mean, really do something? If Bush really did steal the election, if he really is another little Hitler, if Randall Terry isreally is that bad, then you are obligated to put and end to such horrible evil, by violence if it comes to that. In other words, the left has been writing checks with it's collective mouth that it's collective patchouli stinking ass cannot check.
Good day, and enjoy hell.
and -No, I do not feel used.
ReplyDeleteFirst off- I understand, unlike you, apparently, that being a Christian is precisely about faults. I'm a Christian not because I am a good person. I am a Christian precisely because I am a bad person. I am a Christian because my first respone to twits like you is to hurl invective, as I did in my post. If I could, I would beat the hell out of you. But, I know that that is not what God wants- I am a Christian because I am spritually sick (as is everyone after the Fall) and in need of a doctor. So, therefore, when you point up example of Christians gone wrong- am I supposed to be shocked? Oh NO! My world is shattered! You mock what you do not understand.
Do you really think we are that simple?
Wow. I just want to make absolutely sure I understand The Logic Monkey's position:
ReplyDelete1) You run a blog that, by and large, espouses Christian logic. I am not remotely one of the reactionary liberal-types that erroneously decry logic and faith as being incompatible; quite the contrary, really. Demonstrably, some of the greatest Occidental scholars throughout history have been motivated by a love of both their faith and their pursuit of empirical secular knowledge (Isaac Newton being the most notable example in my own personal opinion; the man created his Mechanical Model of the universe to reconcile that it must be logical, orderly, and mechanical in nature because that is God's will...and he developed calculus as a means to prove it mathematically). To be frank, I find the pursuit of faith and knowledge to be related and have no problem with either individually or in tandem.
2) You believe very strongly that your position is right in both a moral and ethical sense, taking both a religious and secular stand on your beliefs, and that passion is, in and of itself, laudable.
That being said, if that is your positin, your means of expressing your views are neither logical nor are they remotely commendable.
You claim that Christianity is about character flaw, the inherent incapability of a person to escape their darker impulses to lash out at others...but I would say that the vast majority of accepted dogma from every subdivision of Christianity in the world would find that to be contrived and convenient; the point of recognizing that inherent flaw is to overcome it, and the struggle to do so is marked by an overt effort, not resignation to your own outbursts.
Your posts are marked by mosty irrelevant diatribes about others (like giving lessons on cultural adoption of colloquial language to a man who has actually lived abroad, and ergo has a pretty legitimate claim to adopting a number of cultural phrases from those environments). You characterize others based on your own preconceptions rather than endeavoring to truly understand them and engage in any kind of logical discourse about your differences. There is a word for that, historically: Judgemental. Not the most logical or pious quality in a person.
In deference to the question of violence as a means of effecting change, your position is certainly not a reflection of the values you proclaim; from Martin Luther to his namesake Dr. Martin Luther King (and for that matter, Christ himself) all promoted non-violence to the point of martyrdom. These paragons of Christian identity were willing to die rather than take violent action to secure their beliefs in an envrionment that was certainly more oppressive towards them than anything you yourself are presently dealing with.
It is painless and rediculous to talk about beating the mortal shit out of and anonymous opponent on the internet; if you are that eager to test your logical and theological prowess through violent means, then post your home address, your name, and a link to a JPEG of your driver's license. Take out an ad in your local paper and found the first Devotional Combat Forum in the country, where people of all walks of life can come to settle their disputes with baseball bats. Believe me, with your demeanor, you'll get some action.
But it won't be from anyone whose opinion was ever actually valid. People who have convictions strive for solutions, not comfort. It feels good to beat the shit out of someone you feel richly deserves it, but it doesn't necessarily accomplish your goal of proving a point...it just removes the other person from the argument, implying strongly that your position wasn't that strong to begin with.
A true spiritual conviction, that has also been logically considered, is unassailable. If you truly believe in the things you are promoting, then let your convictions stand on their own merits rather than making it personal. Don't accept you "spiritual sickness", overcome it, and if you find yourself incapable of doing so, then have the decency to avoid contact with civilized people during those mood swings.
Take a deep breath, pray, talk your priest or a loved one, and relax. Do whatever you have to do to allow yourself the opportunity to think about what you want to say and reflect on why you want to say it.
And then join the discussion. Your opinions are probably valid, somewhere deep down inside; it's just difficult to acknowledge that when you insist on focusing on how much you hate people who believe differently instead of focusing on reconciling those differences.
~J
"If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate."
"'If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.'"
ReplyDeleteHow are we talking about weather all of a sudden?
ha. jk.
Dear ~J,
ReplyDeleteYou ignorant slut. How dare you criticise. Do you not know that the scriptures teach:
"If a man's bull injures the bull of another and it dies, they are to sell the live one and divide both the money and the dead animal equally. However, if it was known that the bull had the habit of goring, yet the owner did not keep it penned up, the owner must pay, animal for animal, and the dead animal will be his."
Exodus 21: 35-36
I'm also tired of all your 'fiery rhetoric'.
"Demonstrably, some of the greatest Occidental scholars throughout history have been motivated by a love of both their faith and their pursuit of empirical secular knowledge..."
Who are you trying to pick a fight with? Whatever. Check out some of this knowledge:
"So Uriah the priest built an altar in accordance with all the plans that King Ahaz had sent from Damascus and finished it before King Ahaz returned." 2 Kings 16:11
There's more where that came from buddy.